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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cod3 wrote:
The latest update removed the Do Not Disturb. Does this feature in your application still work or is it also removed? Also I get a lot of Debt collectors, I mean telemarketers Laughing calling me. Can I block them with your application. I would filter my calls like crazy if I could. I would pay for these features for sure.


Yes, the CallerID filtering blocks specific numbers or can
block any group of numbers (eg: all 800 numbers, or numbers
from area code (nnn), etc.)

The DND feature, to be honest, I hadn't noticed they did away with that!
I had implemented DND in MagicBeans, which now is sending the
caller to VM, but continues ringing (weird), but I have a similar feature
that allows you to adjust the rings before sending to VM, so you can set
it to ring once only. I will fix DND pretty easily, but at this time, it's
broken Sad .

UPDATE: DND is fixed, tested...works great...

Thanks for the heads-up! BTW, when did MJ update?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

az2008 wrote:
x0r0 wrote:
Indeed, sounds like a scam to me Rolling Eyes


It doesn't sound right to me either. It's hard to believe that a call coming into the MJ softphone can be intercepted and rerouted to another phone number.

If this is a scam, he blew it by overdoing the feature list. Too good to be true.

If it's not a scam, he needs to reveal some beta testers to gain some credibility. If it's really in "beta" right now, who's beta testing it? Get them over here to comment on their experience.

Mark


Mark, You're wrong. The beta test offer was/is to anyone who
reads this post. If you want to beta test, as I said, PM me with
your OS/Version/Machine info, and if I need any or more testers
running that setup, I'll get back to you. I know you've been posting
here since before I found the place, and I'd be happy to have you
as a tester. (DISCLAIMER: insults do not normally get you automatic
beta tester status Smile ).

BTW, beta testers do not sign on to be outted
publicly. Some are not even on this forum. I don't think it would
be ethical to reveal them, nor ethical of them to reveal anything
about my software while in beta testing (unless I've already disclosed
the information). They're testing software which may have bugs, and
which I don't have available for sale yet, so it would not be fair to
comment about it yet. They aren't spokemen, just testers.

Also, if I were a scammer, I likely would not have been lurking
here since June 2008. And just what kind of Scam would I be pulling?
If I could make money with beta testers, well, I think there would be
much more beta testing going on all around the world...

@kostkokid
As far as knob shining, you first have to *have* a knob. I think you
must've shined yours off. Laughing

I'm not marketing it here, just responding to posters that said they'ld
want to buy it. It's not for sale yet, though I've built the sale/registration
process into the software, so I had to explain that to potential beta
testers. I thought that I had been plain enough...

And, hey, anyone that hasn't been waiting for some of this stuff,
you don't need to read about it, beta test it, or buy it. In fact,
I wrote the first version in 6 hours, for my own use, just so that I
could block the dang warrantee telemarketers that started using
one of my MJ numbers. When that worked, I started thinking of
other stuff that could be done. I still have a lot more to do, but it
DOES work.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vdot wrote:
If you want to beta test, as I said, PM me with your OS/Version/Machine info,


I PMed you. I don't know how much testing I will do. But, I could at least verify your claims and provide some feedback here to eliminate the suspicions.

BTW: I didn't say you need to reveal the names of all your beta testers. Just that it's hard to believe none of them would show up here to talk about your product. If it does all you say it does, it should be a hot topic. At a minimum (if I were you) I'd encourage them to comment so there's more than one person's voice to rely upon.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

az2008 wrote:
vdot wrote:
If you want to beta test, as I said, PM me with your OS/Version/Machine info,


I PMed you. I don't know how much testing I will do. But, I could at least verify your claims and provide some feedback here to eliminate the suspicions.

BTW: I didn't say you need to reveal the names of all your beta testers. Just that it's hard to believe none of them would show up here to talk about your product. If it does all you say it does, it should be a hot topic. At a minimum (if I were you) I'd encourage them to comment so there's more than one person's voice to rely upon.

Mark

Sorry, I thought that's what you meant. My early testers were not
on this site. But I needed some more, plus thought people on this
site would really like the new developments (especially CID filtering),
so I posted it out here. Sometimes I may be a bit too over zealous, or
excited about these things, but I didn't mean make it sound like a
sales pitch. It's true, I *do* need the money right now, but I fully
expect my sales to come from the general population, not this
forum. I also realize MJ monitors this site, so I don't want to give
away too much info...don't want trouble from them. In fact, I'd like
to have a good relationship with MJ as a sort-of 3rd-party MJ enhancement
vendor. I hope you'll respect this, as a beta "tester".

BTW, I'm about ready to upload the installer that *should* work with Vista
and UAC... Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vdot wrote:
I hope you'll respect this, as a beta "tester".


Thanks. I'm afraid to install it because of you warned me that AV software may complain about key logging, or that it's monitoring other windows on the desktop.

I think I'll let someone with more background investing potentially risky things check it out first.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:38 pm    Post subject: How about ATA? Reply with quote

I want to use ATA not the app. Can you do that?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

az2008 wrote:
vdot wrote:
I hope you'll respect this, as a beta "tester".


Thanks. I'm afraid to install it because of you warned me that AV software may complain about key logging, or that it's monitoring other windows on the desktop.

I think I'll let someone with more background investing potentially risky things check it out first.

Mark


Geez, that's why I told you about it. As I said, the software, for it to
do it's thing, has to monitor MANY system events including keyclicks,
mouse movement & clicks, process exist/non-exists and window
exist/non-exists.
The software, as I said, does NOT log or record any of this
information, but it has to detect it. How in the h-e-double-toothpicks else
am I gonna know when there's an incoming call, or if you click on the
accept button, etc.,? I warned you about your AV possibly spinning off
a pop-up thinking this key-monitoring was part of a key-logger, which it
is NOT! It is not "monitoring other windows" either, it is scanning to see,
for example, when the "Incoming Call" popup appears and disappears.
You download AV software don't you? It's doing some pretty "dangerous"
stuff, too...it must to do it's job. MJ did not give me their source code,
so I must do some low-level stuff, too, for MagicBeans� to work.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:44 pm    Post subject: Re: How about ATA? Reply with quote

richardtaur wrote:
I want to use ATA not the app. Can you do that?


Sorry, that's another department Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I myself and many others will not use an app that is caught by my antivirus as malware. Especially from an unknown source. If you want people to use your software your gonna have to find a way around the av freak out thing.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

slimenem wrote:
I myself and many others will not use an app that is caught by my antivirus as malware. Especially from an unknown source. If you want people to use your software your gonna have to find a way around the av freak out thing.


The way around it is to submit the software to all the AV companies
have them check it out and put it in their whitelist. I'm in beta, I haven't
done that yet. I'm not twisting your arm to test it. I explained the
reasoning to Mark, since he said he wanted to be a beta tester.

That's it. I don't give a hoot if you want to use it or not. I haven't
hidden this or my contact info from anyone. You can even call me.
So if you think it has a virus, don't use it. I don't have time for this,
as I've got a lot more work to do, if I'm gonna make my July deadline.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

slimenem wrote:
I myself and many others will not use an app that is caught by my antivirus as malware. Especially from an unknown source. If you want people to use your software your gonna have to find a way around the av freak out thing.


Despite all the talk about "creating my own low-level API," he's probably using AutoIT. It makes it very easy to automate Windows programs.

In fact, I've been writing a call blocker in my spare time. It's easy to do. I plan to release mine for free.

However, because of AutoIT's ease of use, it's been used by malware authors and added to anti-virus programs as malware.

I wouldn't trust any AutoIT program unless it was from a forum old-timer or the source code is available for inspection.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

az2008 wrote:
slimenem wrote:
I myself and many others will not use an app that is caught by my antivirus as malware. Especially from an unknown source. If you want people to use your software your gonna have to find a way around the av freak out thing.


Despite all the talk about "creating my own low-level API," he's probably using AutoIT. It makes it very easy to automate Windows programs.

In fact, I've been writing a call blocker in my spare time. It's easy to do. I plan to release mine for free.

However, because of AutoIT's ease of use, it's been used by malware authors and added to anti-virus programs as malware.

I wouldn't trust any AutoIT program unless it was from a forum old-timer or the source code is available for inspection.

Mark


I didn't say I created a low-level API (which makes no sense, since
MJ would have to do that). I said "Not Really, but I have a tool I
wrote that allows me to expose all the control and window data
which allows me some access." There are plenty of tools out there
that do similar things, many packaged with debuggers and dev tools.
And while you're guessing about what language I'm using, as if it were a
scripting tool as you suggest, it may as well be FBSL or AutoHotKey or
WinBatch or...but it's not...because you can't do things like embedded
key scanning and call backs and...with your kiddie scripts.

If it's so easy, have at it...you've had a year and a half to come up
with it like anyone else, and last I heard from you, it was impossible,
and you PM'd me wanting to beta test. And until now, I'm not aware
of anyone who has done anything approaching this App (with respect
to add-on MJ functionality).

So if you don't have something constructive to say or rip-off,
then bug-off. If I am not getting anything but flack from the
ne'er-do-wells of the forum, I won't make news of it any further
available here. But I am certain that when news of MagicBeans� gets
around, those same bozos that had nothing but rag to offer the
community will be the first to buy it under some disguised name...
that's OK with me.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

vdot wrote:
last I heard from you, it was impossible,


I said some of the features you listed sounded impossible to me. Not all.

vdot wrote:
and you PM'd me wanting to beta test.


I posted to this forum saying I'd like to see the beta if only to help substantiate your claims. You said I should PM you to request it.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I downloaded the beta version and everything works as claimed. AVG Anti virus didn't detect anything bad. I would definitely purchase this when it becomes available. Great piece of software.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cod3 wrote:
I downloaded the beta version and everything works as claimed. AVG Anti virus didn't detect anything bad. I would definitely purchase this when it becomes available. Great piece of software.


Thanks for the public vote of confidence. BTW, I made some fixes &
posted a new version. Later today (Tuesday) I think I can fairly
easily add the feature you wanted about highlighting a number
in the "Calls" tab, and auto-adding it to the CID Filter file.
I'll PM or call you to get the update when I've posted it...

-vdot
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

how about some screen shots or something? so we can have a look
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

x0r0 wrote:
how about some screen shots or something? so we can have a look


If I get around to it, I might do that, but I'm swamped with things I
need to do to get this out ASAP.

Idea Maybe cod3 can download the latest beta and post a few
quicker than I'll be able to?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MajicBeans screen shots.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey vdot is cod3 your alter ego? Laughing looks interesting can you put it on rapidshare and give me a link? Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you make your next project your highest priority and get our ata's back in business? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cod3 wrote:
MajicBeans screen shots.


Looks interesting. I may have misunderstood earlier when "vdot" said something about call forwarding. I thought he meant it would route the incoming call to another number. Seeing the screenshots I think he meant he'll update the my.magicjack.com portal with the phone number you provide.

I've been working on something similar to this (with a few other features). I plan to give it away for free, and make the source available so it can be community developed (and eliminate concerns about spyware).

It should take a couple weeks if I have time. It's just something I've been playing with for awhile.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone who wants to try out the software should PM vdot.

vdot wrote:
If you want to beta test, as I said, PM me with your OS/Version/Machine info,


After you give him your machine info he will give you his website where you can download the software and beta test it. No need to rapidshare it. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:08 am    Post subject: So far it sounds great, but what about? Reply with quote

Hi, this sounds good, but can you do anything about the international call fowarding? As of right now you can call international, if you have money on your account, but it will not except the 15 digits that is needed to foward internationally, only 10 digits allowed. Can it be Fixed?
If so i am count me in.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

az2008 wrote:
Looks interesting. I may have misunderstood earlier when "vdot" said something about call forwarding. I thought he meant it would route the incoming call to another number. Seeing the screenshots I think he meant he'll update the my.magicjack.com portal with the phone number you provide.

I've been working on something similar to this (with a few other features). I plan to give it away for free, and make the source available so it can be community developed (and eliminate concerns about spyware).

It should take a couple weeks if I have time. It's just something I've been playing with for awhile.

Mark


Wrong again. MagicBeans� forwards calls directly...not messing
with magicJack's portal website forwarding.

I call it "active" (or online) call-forwarding vs. their
"passive" (or offline) call-forwarding. MagicBeans� call-forwarding
works immediately, accurately and consistently every time.
MJ's web-based call forwarding only really works consistently (or at all
in some cases) when your MJ is not connected to the internet for
whatever reason. That makes sense, when you think about it and why
it is web-based. The problem is, they don't explain it that way.

Also, there will be no concerns about "spyware" in my product. I am
submitting it to all the major Anti-virus companies for them to check-out
and whitelist. So please quit your trying to scare people away, and
attempting to hijack my thread with your vaporware.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:29 am    Post subject: Re: So far it sounds great, but what about? Reply with quote

crusader wrote:
Hi, this sounds good, but can you do anything about the international call fowarding? As of right now you can call international, if you have money on your account, but it will not except the 15 digits that is needed to foward internationally, only 10 digits allowed. Can it be Fixed?
If so i am count me in.


Hi crusader,
I have not tried it with international forwarding, but I currently *do* have
the edit setup for domestic numbers. I could fix that, I think, without
too much trouble, and if the MJ can dial more numbers than that,
MagicBeans� should then work. I'm sorry, but I wasn't even aware
you could call internationally with MJ (other than Canada), and never
paid much attention to those things. I'll look at fixing my phone number
edit to allow outgoing international calls. I can't guarantee the timeline
or that it will ultimately work, but it shouldn't be a problem.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cod3 wrote:
Anyone who wants to try out the software should PM vdot.

vdot wrote:
If you want to beta test, as I said, PM me with your OS/Version/Machine info,


After you give him your machine info he will give you his website where you can download the software and beta test it. No need to rapidshare it. Laughing


@cod3: thanks for posting for me. I got another good feature
implemented: ability to "shoot" a number in the "Call" list, and
automatically add it to the CallerID filter file. It has edits to only allow
filters to be added once, etc.,. Beta testers can download it from
the same location as previous updates. I plan to next finish the
auto-update capability of the installer, then the help file, then the
public website...then Version 1.0 will be officially released for sale!

Any [legitimate] requests for beta testers, not people just wanting to
gain information for their own attempts, can PM me with your
machine/OS Version/Service Pack info, and I'll let you in on testing
it. I've stated up front that this was a commercial venture for me,
and I have gotten *some* individuals who have tried their best to
undermine my development efforts with scare stories, promises of
software that will do the same thing for free, and other underhanded
tactics. My answer to these persons is:

1.) If you have already been developing something like this, where is
it, and where has it been for the last 1.5 years.

2.) If you *really* have worked on things at least a little similar
(such as mp3Gamer00's very nice "MJ Manager") then, great, more
power to you! Put it out there on your own thread, and let the people
decide which they like best. But please butt-out of this thread which I
started to let people know of what I've been working on...which is,
IMHO (and unbiased, of course), much advanced to anything like it
previous. Don't try to steal my ideas and present them as yours, and
don't try to bias my product, when you know *nothing* about it.

It is true I will sell this, but I am not selling it here, yet. When I do,
I'll purchase ads from this forum's owner. Until, then, this thread is
to let people who want to beta test, find out about it, and the curious
to ask questions, and ask for features if they want.

I appreciate the many PMs of interested and supportive people.
Several have been very helpful, and/or offered their help, which
is very nice. In return, I hope to, at the very least, produce a very
useful, economical, and feature-rich software product for MJ enthusiasts
and home-users alike. My plan is to continue adding many features in
ongoing releases and add-ons, many for which I already have detailed
plans. I also want the software to support all sorts of uses by all sorts
of good people, like crusader's international MJ use (which I never even
thought of until crusader's post).

Cheers to all who have been encouraging...

Dave V (vdot)


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

srvctek wrote:
Hey vdot is cod3 your alter ego? Laughing looks interesting can you put it on rapidshare and give me a link? Wink

Thanks for your interest...didn't mean to ignore you.
I've been working hard to get this out...'til 5am last night, and already
4am tonight (this morning?).

Anyway, like cod3 said, PM me with your info. I'll get you the link,
and some info, and you can get testing! Even though I wrote it, I
have to say I love it. It really enhances "the MJ experience." (I'll
have to sell that to Dan Laughing )

If you decide to test, keep me posted with any issues, or any ideas
you'ld like to see implemented. Thanks again for your interest.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

srvctek wrote:
Hey vdot is cod3 your alter ego? Laughing looks interesting can you put it on rapidshare and give me a link? Wink


No Shocked But cod3 is a cool guy, and he's been willing to help
me out alot.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vdot wrote:
Wrong again. MagicBeans� forwards calls directly...not messing with magicJack's portal website forwarding.


It will be interesting to see how you do that using the softphone. This is the only feature in your original list that I questioned.

Everything else is extremely easy to do using AutoIT (a free programming tool). That's why I'm surprised you're charging for it.

vdot wrote:
If you have already been developing something like this, where is it, and where has it been for the last 1.5 years.


I didn't say that I've worked on it for 1.5 years. Maybe 2-3 months in my spare time (6 hours a week?).

I don't have a profit motive. If I have enough time, I'll release mine in a couple weeks.

Like I said, I plan to make it available for free. And, release the source code as GPL so it can be community developed.

FYI: submitting a program to anti-virus manufacturers isn't a guarantee against malicious behavior. For example, if the program isn't detected as a virus there is no reason to submit it for whitelisting. The program author can say "oh, sure, I submitted it. That's why it isn't detected as a virus." But, it may not have been detected to begin with. (I.e., anti-virus companies don't know something is malicious until a sufficient number of victims detect it and report it. ).

Therefore 1) there's no guarantee that the program author submitted it. Or, 2) didn't change the program after submitting it.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

az2008 wrote:

FYI: submitting a program to anti-virus manufacturers isn't a guarantee against malicious behavior. For example, if the program isn't detected as a virus there is no reason to submit it for whitelisting. The program author can say "oh, sure, I submitted it. That's why it isn't detected as a virus." But, it may not have been detected to begin with. (I.e., anti-virus companies don't know something is malicious until a sufficient number of victims detect it and report it. ).

Therefore 1) there's no guarantee that the program author submitted it. Or, 2) didn't change the program after submitting it.

Mark

That's not correct. Submitting it to the AV company allows them to check
out the behavior of the software and the code itself. They don't
whitelist your software just because you submit it to them. Their lab
checks it is not doing anything malicious. If someone were to submit first,
then add a virus to the sold software:
#1 - the hash would be wrong for their program, and the AV would
not whitelist it.
#2 - they wouldn't sell too many copies, since their customers would be
just a little unhappy
#3 - some customers, if given contact info of the seller (as I have
freely given) might come visiting...
So just quit with the attempted trashing of my software. You haven't
even tried it.

Also, if you knew anything
about software, you'ld realize that many things that a complex program
can do might be identified by virus detection algorithms as potentially
malicious. If the code needs to do anything out of the ordinary, such as
scan for key presses or scan a windows text for the word "Incoming" or
thousands of other things, then it could be seen by a given AV software
as a potential threat. In the case of my software, that is exactly what I
was privately warning you about when you PM'd me to be a beta tester.
You are not acting in good faith, nor are your motives as selfless as you
would like people to believe. You misrepresented yourself to me,
and you've done nothing but try to undermine the credibility of my
software product. You also greatly underestimate the complexity
of the tasks that MagicBeans� performs. It's called Windows GDI+
and Windows API programming, hooks and callbacks. Look it up
on MSDN.

Please get your own thread for your vaporware and bugoff.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vdot wrote:
That's not correct. Submitting it to the AV company allows them to check out the behavior of the software and the code itself. They don't whitelist your software just because you submit it to them. Their lab
checks it is not doing anything malicious.


The point is, your beta tester said it wasn't caught by his A/V software. In such as case, a malicious author would have no reason to submit it. But, could say "I submitted it, that's why it's not detected as a virus. It's been thoroughly vetted."

Or, a malicious author could submit a harmless program just to get on a "list" and then distribute a different program which isn't detected by A/V software.

vdot wrote:
You misrepresented yourself to me,


Relax. I understand you have a profit motive. You want to charge for something that's basically trivial to do with a free tool like AutoIT (although I admit I'm not clear how you forward calls yet).

1. I publicly posted saying I'd be willing to look at your program to give you some credibility when myself and others thought you were scamming.

2. You said I should PM you.

3. I did. You told me where to download it, and warned me that it may be detected as a virus because it monitors keystrokes, mouse movement, etc.

4. I PMed back that I wasn't comfortable installing that, and mentioned that I had been working on a free tool containing most of the features you've mentioned (and a few more).

5. I reported back to the forum the outcome of my offer to look at your program (I wasn't comfortable doing it based upon what you described to me.).

How did I misrepresent myself?

Mark
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 4:20 pm    Post subject: Will Start Updating First Post With Latest Beta Version Info Reply with quote

I've started updating the first post in this thread with the latest
beta version info.

Beta testers can now just look at the first post to see if they have
the latest update.

I hope to keep this updated with each version change, but it may happen
that I forget once and awhile. Lately I've been updating 3-5 times
(or more) daily. Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:21 am    Post subject: Re: So far it sounds great, but what about? Reply with quote

crusader wrote:
Hi, this sounds good, but can you do anything about the international call fowarding? As of right now you can call international, if you have money on your account, but it will not except the 15 digits that is needed to foward internationally, only 10 digits allowed. Can it be Fixed?
If so i am count me in.


I've modified the code such that Active Call Forwarding *should* be able
to work with International Numbers. If anyone wants to test this out,
PM me. If you're not already a beta tester, include your
Machine/OS Version/Service Pack info, and I'll hook you up with
the info to download MagicBeans�

TIA,

Dave V (vdot)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the compliment vdot. Hope to try out the program myself. If you need anything programmed let me know. My source is open to you and everyone.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mp3Gamer00 wrote:
Thanks for the compliment vdot. Hope to try out the program myself. If you need anything programmed let me know. My source is open to you and everyone.


Hey, no problem! Your program is probably the best of this kind to-date.
If this venture is very successful (and I've got good reason to think
it *may* be), I might be wanting to hire another programmer. Wink
This project of mine is not free/open source, but some future stuff will be,
and others won't.

I PM'd you the info to download and test it out. If you do any International
calling with MJ, I could use somebody to test out the
Active/Online Call-Forwarding with an international number. I modified
the code, but I don't have a number, nor the spare change Rolling Eyes to test
it out.

But, Thanks to a very generous and friendly guy out in CA, known only
as "Joe," I have a great site to host the exe file (or the whole site, if
I want). I really like to encounter people like Joe, who are uplifting,
as opposed to vexatious. A big Shout-out and "Thanks" to Joe! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mp3Gamer00 wrote:
My source is open to you and everyone.


I missed your original post that you released a pop-up blocker, auto-answer tool. It looks really good. What is "caller-id hide?"

BTW: Is this post the most recent version of your tool? http://www.phoneservicesupport.com/post37240.html#37240

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vdot, why not produce a free version of your application. You could hijack the ad window in magicJack and serve you own ads to make a little extra spending money.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

laserjobs wrote:
vdot, why not produce a free version of your application. You could hijack the ad window in magicJack and serve you own ads to make a little extra spending money.


My concern is: if people start doing things like that which are against Dan's business interests he'll lock down the softphone .

Right now it's trivial to interact with the softphone from another process. The softphone's UI controls are largely exposed. That means messages can be sent to them from another process and the softphone will treat it like actual user input (mouse hover, click, etc.).

That's why it's hard to believe someone would charge money for a softphone front end. This is trivial stuff. It doesn't even need advanced programming knowledge. Just a high-level *scripting* tool like AutoIT.

Dan could change the softphone to resist interaction like that. It could still be interacted with by simulating user input (moving the mouse, sending the click). But, that would eliminate 99% of the benefit these front ends provide today. For example, such restricted access would cause focus to be lost from whatever you're doing on the desktop just so the front-end could answer the phone.

I hope nobody does what you suggested. The softphone allows for a lot of flexibility (to ignore, block calls, etc.). We could lose that if people abuse it.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

laserjobs wrote:
vdot, why not produce a free version of your application. You could hijack the ad window in magicJack and serve you own ads to make a little extra spending money.


I'd like to be able to do that (ie: free version), for say, some in this forum, and I may,
but I will have to think of a secure scheme to be able to do that first,
then code it into the software. I don't want "free" versions floating
around the internet for all. Then none, including the regular consumer,
would buy a paid copy. The ad window idea is good, but I am thinking
of even removing the "No Ads" feature from this software, as much as I
and others like it, because of the sole reason that MJ won't like it. MJ,
like me, despite what some may say, has a legitimate and good/working
business plan. Part of that is to generate revenue now and/or in the
future (to remain in business) through their ads. Though it is easy to
defeat the ugly things, or usurp them with my own, I *want* MJ to Laughing
#1 - stay in business, selling them cheap, to millions of customers
#2 - not be upset with my software being on the market
#3 - actually help MJ sales by giving the user features they want, but MJ
isn't able to / doesn't want to bother with. Their business isn't so
much in the user interface, just like HP isn't into operating systems.
Hopefully Dan will see that I want his success, for my success...
And my success, in turn, helps his success, as it draws customers
that he may not otherwise have.

This scheme benefits *everyone* including you, me and this forum.
So I don't want to bite the hand... It would be the same thing as
taxing the wealthy out of existence. We would *all* soon be in a bad
way, even the politicians. Maybe I shouldn't have gone there Laughing
But you get the idea. So I'll probably delete or modify the noAds
setting, and I *will* (have been) try to think of a way I can release
a free version without it being available through me alone (ie: not
propagate wildly on its own). I *do* have some ideas. Very Happy


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:32 pm    Post subject: Enough of it Reply with quote

I have returned my MJ which was still in trial period. Enough time wasted on it.

I use GV now. for true free calls both in and out.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Enough of it Reply with quote

spencer wrote:
I have returned my MJ which was still in trial period. Enough time wasted on it.

I use GV now. for true free calls both in and out.



What is GV? Is it google voice?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 5:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Enough of it Reply with quote

richardtaur wrote:
spencer wrote:
I have returned my MJ which was still in trial period. Enough time wasted on it.

I use GV now. for true free calls both in and out.



What is GV? Is it google voice?


Yes
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Enough of it Reply with quote

spencer wrote:
I use GV now. for true free calls both in and out.

According to the website, Goodle Voice does not yet exist for the general population. Why do so many here refer to it as a general VOIP solution?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

because alot do have it now, its due to be released to everyone very soon
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:52 am    Post subject: Re: Enough of it Reply with quote

spencer wrote:
I have returned my MJ which was still in trial period. Enough time wasted on it.

I use GV now. for true free calls both in and out.


GV is fine. I use a combination of 2 MJs and GV. GV doesn't replace
the usefulness of a magicJack� on many fronts, and I'm trying to fill in
the gaps for magicJack� on some of the advantages GV does have
over it. That's what MagicBeans� is all about. For example, the
Incoming Call-Blocking ability that was one of GV's strong advantages
can now be accomplished, in some ways *better* with an MJ and
MagicBeans�. MagicBeans� also can help with some of the
difficulties the MJ has in operation, but in this vein, I plan on adding
many more features in a future (soon) release.

I'm aiming to release MagicBeans� for sale by early July...with luck,
by the 4th of July...
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:26 pm    Post subject: OOPS. Reply with quote

OOPs...see next post.
(I'm not trying to inflate my post count, honest!...
though it *did* just happen to get me over the hump
from "Apprentice" to being a "MagicJack User"....woooooohooo!!!!!!!) Cool


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:27 pm    Post subject: TO Beta Testers: Reply with quote

I am planning to hold back on any more feature additions for a
week or three, while I enhance the installer & program with some
more mundane additions (auto-updates, ability to allow for free
copies while maintaining copy-protection [I said I had an idea Smile ],
and enhancements for 3rd party sales).

If, during this time, your copy expires, or you have issues, or you have
ideas for features/enhancements, or you find bugs: Please feel free
to contact me by Phone (preferred), Email (next preferred) or PM.
If you find a bug, I'll try to fix it during this time, unless it's too big,
in which case, I'll *have* to fix it during this time Smile

Thanks for your interest and ongoing support!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 1:15 am    Post subject: Release Update Reply with quote

Update on the V1.0 Release date:

I've pushed the "release by" date of the first commercial version
back to July 31st, not due to any program issues, but just because
other things seem to be intruding on my time, and I'm currently not
getting the programming time in to get it done sooner.

My desire is to get it out ASAP, but I want it to have certain core
features before it's release. The intent is that it will be ready before
the 31st, but officially that's the target for now...

Beta testers: thanks, and keep your good suggestions coming.

-vdot
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh!
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

richardtaur wrote:
Oh!


Hey, Richard, would you like to test?
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