magicJack and magicJack Plus Support, Reviews, FAQs and Tricks

HolmanGT · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:04 pm Post subject:

testing123,

I agree with you completely.

I have not seen one of those Power Meters in a long time. Would you mind sharing where you got it from? It looked new in the picture so I am assuming one of two things you recently purchased it or you are a "Neat Freak" and take real good care of you equipment. Laughing

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saxman · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject:

How's this thing work and if it shows me using less then what my bill shows then what? Will the power company come out and read it again and adjust my bill, give me a refund or credit me or will they tell me that their real expensive equipment is right and my $20.00 Radio Shack meter is wrong? Have you had this happen, a dispute on the usage? How was it handeled?

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HolmanGT · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject:

saxman,

You have to be kidding SaxMan - who ever argued with a power company and won or any utility for that matter. Rolling Eyes

Besides the Electrical meter they hang on the side of your house is a pretty fancy and very accurate metering system. I don't think I would want to go up against a Power Company with my $20 dollar hand held instrument. Those things are really meant to estimate electrical consumption, not be the last word on the actual amount being used.

gooney · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:10 pm Post subject:

saxman · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:15 pm Post subject:

Dudes-chill dudes-lol-of course you can't get the power to admit overbilling mistakes-Christ, I had a big outdoor hot tub running 24-7 year around and I used to dispute the bills from time to time-they were big! Now, at that time I could have used some kind of a gauge to double check their readings but they never beat me as far as I could tell. It would be nice to check the juice though just to get an idea. The pc don't matter. I did catch my phone company a few weeks back. My pc was running slow , since I quit their phone service and got the stand alone DSL, noticed a drop in speed. I called them and they said oops! Your not presently running 1.5 mb. -They had me reboot the modem and bingo, she reset the thing and put it back to 1,5-much better-tech error or sabotage for quitting their landline? who knows

HolmanGT · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:19 pm Post subject:

gooney,

Down here in the southern part of Utah they have the radio gadgets on the Water and Electric and some guy comes screaming around once a month on a motorcycle with a gadget that looks like a walkie-talkie collecting water and electric readings (at least I think he does both who knows there may be some other guy that comes around also).

I just found out they put them on the water when I wanted to turn the main off and couldn't get the damn radio gadget out of the way.

saxman · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject:

hey 1234-test-"you sir, probably are not ... Cheers." what's this mean? Are you just being a smart ass or funny?- How do you know what I do?-you may want keep your stowed. I could care less about how many pennies a day my pc uses. It's definetly not worth taking the time to measure such a small output. I use Network switches and a booster and they use virtually nothing per day.I live on the Columbia River Gorge on the Washington side. Wind power is used alot as the wind blows evey day in some areas. For someone wanting to produce electrical power to sell, this area is ideal and the sun and wind are already suppling many people here.

HolmanGT · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:33 pm Post subject:

saxman,

I don't know if it was intentional cutting your speed back, but I know they hate people that just keep the DSL and not the phone. Back in the day you couldn't do that, just keep DSL but I think the Government got after them for that practice and made them allow people to do that.

Give-em Hell Sax's

PS - you really can argue with the power reading but you have to have some professionals come out with some damn fancy equipment and prove their meter wrong. But to pursue that ain't cheap. And if there meter is correct you get to pay for all the testing - Ouch!

saxman · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:21 pm Post subject:

Holman-yea-if I still owned a home with a power suckin hot tub, I would have it checked but I'm in a apartment now and it's good the juice. All double panned everything and plenty of insulation. Well, for this area. The places out West would never work in the Midwest and East. The insulation is about half as thick here as there.

About the DSL-funny story-I told it in another thread here somewhere but last week I had some downloads going and left the pc runnin all night. I wake up and the internet is off. I checked everything as I just added a network switch and the Broadband Booster and thought maybe something inline had gone South on me. It was all good but the modem internet light was out. Because I have a internet phone I had to go to the store to call the phone company to get DSL tech support. The guy actually laughed when I told him I had to go to the store to call because I had no internet. Thought that was funny because I shut off my phone from them a few weeks ago, and your right, they don't like providing stand alone dsl so people can run their VOIP phones. They said the "computer shut off my internet for no reason at all! A mistake. and "We are really sorry" chuckle chuckle!-sure they are-I was not behind in the bill and there was just no reason why it was shut off. They said it would be back on in two hours. It was.

Now, when I called Qwest to cancel the phone and keep the DSL they said that I was breaking the Price For Life Contract by doing that. So, they raised my dsl price by 10.00 more a month, to $36.00 because I broke the deal.I have one more year left on this deal then I will drop them and go to cable where I can get much faster cable for $43.00 a month. I can go from 1.5 mb to 7 mb for for $7.00 more bucks a month! If I want to quit their contract now it would cost me 300.00 fee for quitting early.-So, I'll wait the year. But Yea-I say their messin with me for using "their" line for MJ-first they drop the speed in half and say it was an error-then their "computer" "accidently" shuts me down completely. I think they should let me out of the deal without the 300 fee due to their bad service. They are breaking the contract by not keeping the line running.I may have to call my little sister-she's a lawyer.

HolmanGT · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject:

saxman,

I am certainly sympathetic about having someone mess with your broad band connection. I have 6mbps cable and the only way I would ever go back to 1.5mbps DSL is at gun point.

gooney · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:05 pm Post subject:

saxman · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject:

lol-that good eh? Man, that say's alot for sure. I can't wait; to be honest with ya; because I do lots of downloads it's going to make things a little easier. Well' I got the phone audio dialed in using the braodband booster, I won't need that with cable. I can't bitch, my phone's working good and it's surprising that people would be happy to go so much slower with DSL. Hopefully Comcast dosen't jack the rates way up in the next year. Ya know, it's getting real expensive to watch tv anymore. We need Dan to get us a cheap signal-say $29.00 a year for 300 channels-that's fair don't ya think?-Magic Jack Television-(you think your phone bleeps now! hahahah)

gooney · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject:

saxman · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject:

good! and yet if you go to some sites like DSL Reports you will hear people swear up and down the advantage of DSL over cable-most say the service with cable is spotty, going down alot. Well, maybe where some people live but I have cable tv and it's never been off. I asked people why they would want DSL 1.5 when for not much more they could run 5 times faster. Like 7 or 8 mb and they said dsl was more stable. Didn't make any sense to me. I have a new big screen with HD and I'd really like to use it as a monitor. A big monitor-I may have to call the Geek Squad for that one.

testing123 · Dan Should Pay Me Joined: 13 Nov 2007 Posts: 703

To the OP, you had me a bit intrigued by these "thin clients" (sure looks more and more like we are going BACK to the age of "dumb terminal" + Mainframe ... lol)

So I had to look into running Linux on these Wink

... this article is an interesting read (albeit from 2005).

Note: HP has Linux-based Thin Clients, but I was interested to see if Linux could run on the so-called Windoze version.

magnum68 · magicJack Apprentice Joined: 16 Mar 2008 Posts: 27

HolmanGT · Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject:

magnum68,

What model did you purchase and how much Flash and how much Ram does it have.

If the one you purchased had 512/512 you are all set to go, just as soon as you figure out how to make it do some of the tricks it needs to do to run your MJ. If you purchased a unit with 256/256 flash and ram you will need to come back here and ask Heritage227 or me what you have to do to make it run MJ. All the tools and such are available on the HP WEB site.

Don't let me scare you if you purchase the 256/256 unit there is just some minor things you have to remove to allow enough room for MJ to run i.e. remove Media Player for one. I also took off things like their security client and a couple of others to give MJ the most possible elbow room on my 256/256 unit. After you set it up remove the monitor, keyboard and mouse and stick it under your desk someplace. Oh and the thing generates about as much heat as a cigarette shitting in an ashtray. I don't know how they make a 1.2 GHz machine with no fans run so cool but they do.

Also I use Team Viewer 3 on mine for remote control so when I need/want to make an adjustment I don't have to hook up a monitor, keyboard and mouse each time. (TeamViewer is free for non-commercial use).

magnum68 · magicJack Apprentice Joined: 16 Mar 2008 Posts: 27

HolmanGT · Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:46 pm Post subject:

magnum68,

OK the 512 of RAM is good but we will have to remove some programs from the flash to give you room to install MJ.

I have to run an errand for my mother but just as soon as I get back I will be able to walk you thru the process.

Or if Heritage227 is around he can halp you also.

Sorry for the delay - I now how it is with new toys. Laughing

leons · MagicJack Contributor Joined: 17 Mar 2008 Posts: 71

Can these be run with a wireless adapter?

testing123 · Dan Should Pay Me Joined: 13 Nov 2007 Posts: 703

HolmanGT · Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:45 pm Post subject:

leons,

Could you expand a little on what you mean by a wireless adapter? Like USB wireless, PCI Card, or just an Ethernet access point etc?

In general they will do anything any other XP machine will do if outfitted correctly for what you want to do. These things come it about a gazillion flavors.

HolmanGT · Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject:

Magnum,

Start here:

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/Home.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodSeriesId=339208&prodTypeId=12454

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareIndex.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodNameId=379363&prodTypeId=12454&prodSeriesId=339208&swLang=13&taskId=135&swEnvOID=1058

What you want to do is look for the stuff that says "remove" in the list of software. You also might want to make sure you have the latest XPe version.

To make it work with your MJ start by removing (we are not really making it work with MJ we are just giving it enough room to install on the flash hard drive):

1. Altiris XPe Add-On (Remove Media Player)
2. Altiris XPe Add-on (MIDI Support)
3. HP Sygate Security Agent - Remove Add-On
4. Altiris XPe Add-on (Remove .NET Messenger)
5. Altiris XPe Add-On (Remove Citrix ICA)
6. Altiris XPe Add-on (Remove TeemNT)

Now stick in your MJ and watch it take off. Very Happy

Just remember that after you do any setting changes to make it all stick you have click on the little green hand bag looking icon in the sys-tray and tell it to commit other wise all your work and settings will disappear the next time you reboot the device.

WARNING - make sure you are on the correct down load page for whatever model you have. The download pages for the T5700, T5710 and T5720 all look pretty much the same, BUT they are not so please make sure the page you down load from on the HP site is for the model you have. Some of the files are universal and some are not. I do believe that if you goof and load the wrong file you can always reflash with the correct master OS flash for your unit and recover. I have never tested this theory and I wouldn't suggest that you do either unless forced to thru circumstance - Ouch!.

magnum68 · magicJack Apprentice Joined: 16 Mar 2008 Posts: 27

HolmanGT · Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject:

magnum68,

One thing I forgot to mention is that I would strongly suggest you flash it with the newest OS firmware even if yours has the newest already. The reason I suggest this is when you flash it it takes everything off that someone may have installed and takes all the setting back to factory defaults.

Nothing like starting with a "Clean Slate" Smile

Heritage227 · magicJack Apprentice Joined: 06 Mar 2008 Posts: 17

Welp, You said it all HGT, No need for my input Very Happy

By the way....That Team Viewer that you told us all about is one Cool Program. Cool

Thanks !!!

HolmanGT · Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:20 pm Post subject:

Heritage,

Yuppers TeamView is pretty slick - Did you notice what they charge for commercial use of it .... looks like the national debt.

magnum68 · magicJack Apprentice Joined: 16 Mar 2008 Posts: 27

PGPfan · magicJack Apprentice Joined: 26 Feb 2008 Posts: 17

HGT, I have the 256/256 model. Are there any more apps (besides what you list above) that I should remove for MJ to work?

-PGPfan

HolmanGT · Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 10:04 pm Post subject:

PGPfan,

No, what I listed should leave you with about 18 megs of free hard drive after you have installed your MagicJack. And just to keep it clear, removing the items I listed it just to gain enough space with a little extra elbow room for MJ to install and run. It is not that any of the item I suggest removing have any conflict with MJ, if you had a unit with 512 megs of flash you would not have to remove anything.

AUTOMAG44 · MagicJack Newbie Joined: 18 Feb 2008 Posts: 2

reflashed t5710 with latest operating system. reformatted usb thumb drive then placed remove media player on it. Ran program and it made 3 or 4 folders on thumb drive. put in unit. found under folders but I click on it and nothing happened. When I click on go it stated access disallowed. When I double click on it nothing happens. What am I doing wrong. thanks in advance

HolmanGT · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 3:04 pm Post subject:

AUTOMAG44,

What are you clicking on? You should go int the RIPs folder on the thumb drive that is plugged into your thin client and double click on "Remove_Media_Player_11.00_A1.EXE"

PS - Acutally not to be offense but I don't really don't understand your post.

The app you downloaded from HP to remove the media play should be expanded to a folder on you main machine, transfer this folder to the thumb drive. Put the thumb drive in your Thin Client and the do what I said above.

OK - My Fault You need to be logged in as Administrator.

To logon as Administrator you have log off holding the shift key, continue to hold the shift key and a logon window will pop up. Log on as User: Administrator, Password: Administrator.

Now that you are logged on as Administrator right click on the icons (looks like a little green purse) in the system tray on the right and select "Commit" it will force you to reboot. Now ever time you come up you will be logged on as Administrator.

PLEASE make sure that you don't load the files for your model i.e. the t5700, t5710 or t5720. All there download pages for the different models look the same and it is very easy to get on the wrong download site.

My apologies for failing to mention this tiny little it ain't going to work if you don't item. Also as Administrator (and it is capital "A") you will see a lot more options and icons on your system.

HolmanGT · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject:

PGPfan,

Please not my post to AUTOMAG44 very import instructions for success that I failed to mention earlier.

Nail*Head · MagicJack Newbie Joined: 21 Mar 2008 Posts: 5

I liked the post so well I just purchased a T5700. Anybody know the best way to share the keyboard, mouse, & monitor with the Thin Client so I don't have an extra monitor on my desk?

[A footnote.... With a little rewiring of the house phone line and a ComSwitch (http://www.command-comm.com/comswitch7500.php ) I've got the whole house running on the MagicJack. Still can't get a consistant fax to work even with the recommendations of turning off error correction and slowing the fax down.]

HolmanGT · Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject:

Nail*Head,

How much memory do you have on your thin client hard drive? There is away to strip off unneeded stuff and install the remote client I am suggesting. If you have 512/512 you are home free.

The program I use to access the thin client is: http://www.teamviewer.com/index.aspx

Nail*Head · MagicJack Newbie Joined: 21 Mar 2008 Posts: 5

The T5700 may not have enough memory. Only 192MB of Flash Memory.

HolmanGT · Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject:

Nail*Head,

How did you even get MJ to install, did you already remove some items from the hard drive (flash memory)?

Nail*Head · MagicJack Newbie Joined: 21 Mar 2008 Posts: 5

I just won the T5700 on Ebay. It is not in my hands yet. How much memory does Magic Jack require?

I just looked in the Task Manager and it looks like MJ is using 25K of RAM. Yhe T5700 should have plenty of extra memory to run. I'll keep you posted.

kumar · Dan Should Pay Me Joined: 15 Nov 2007 Posts: 806

HolmanGT · Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject:

Nail*Head,

I thought you already had the thing in your hands. You may be pretty marginal with only 192 megs.

MJ takes minimum of: on the hard drive 30.7 MB (32,272,478 bytes)

PS - When you get it let me know and we can do our best to make it work with MJ but you will most likely never get a remote control client on it. For anyone reading this post and is considering a HP thin client, the minimum system memory is: flash 256/ Ram 256. The optimum system would be 512/512.

HolmanGT · Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:21 pm Post subject:

kumar,

Cost - well remember it is an auction and people are stupid. I had a guy out bid me by biding more than what the seller want as a "Buy Now" price. If I knew the guys email address I would send him a "your stupid" email. But someone that stupid probably can't read.

I hate auctions and the people that visit them.

I go to ebay and do the buy now it saves my sanity and my adrenalin level stay at a reasonable level.

There is one guy selling "Buy Now" at $99 dollars for a 512/512 T5710. it was $89 buy now but I think this sudden surge of MJ buyers is driving the price up. Until now there was not much call for the things.

GuyOnTheAir

So, I bought a T5700, with 192 MB flash drive, and 256 MB RAM. And, well, it hasn't been easy, folks.

I hope I don't forget anything, but here's what I had to do:

First off, tried to get the latest firmware from HP. But, that latest, even listed on the T5700 page, requires 256 MB flash drive. So, I kept downloading, and trying, going one version back each time, until I found the last version that would work on a 192 MB machine. You want WinXP3 5.1.113b, or sp28963.exe from HP.com.

I logged off as user, and into Admin. I went to the Control Panels>HP Login Manager and selected the auto login to be Administrator, instead of user.

From HP.com I downloaded the Altiris XPe Add-on (Remove Multiple Components), also, the add-ons to remove TeemNT, Citrix ICA, and .NET Messenger. Some of these are also allegedly removed in the multiple components one. I simply downloaded, copied to a USB stick, and plugged into the TC. There, I unpackaged them, and, as you noted above, had to find the RIPs folder, and run the appropriate EXEs. When done, I had to go to the green "lock" icon on the right task bar and Commit to save the changes, otherwise the software reappears at bootup.

Now, I went through the HD, and looked for things to delete, like an MP3 file in the shared music folder. (3 MB is alot for a file, when you only have 192 to work with, and need every ounce of space.) Then, again, to Commit the changes at the green lock.

Finally, tried to install the MagicJack. And, it was work. First, I had to make sure that the USB drivers for the various portions of the MJ were working. This required multiple trips to the Device Manager to see what was loaded, and what hadn't installed correctly. MJ requires these things, I think:

Generic USB Hub
USB Mass Storage Device
TigerJet USB Composite Device

If those don't load in Device Manager, or if you see some items without the proper, "okay" icons, MJ won't work.

Making the drivers load for these devices was almost an act of God. Since I had an XP machine on the same network as the TC, I used My Network Places to connect to it, and then tried to install the drivers for each device. Sometimes, the Windows new found hardware would open, sometimes, it seemed not, and I'd have to go to Device Manager and uninstall device, and then have it recognize it again. And each time, the necessary files to install the devices on my system were not available, so I'd have to find them on my other XP machine, and point the wizard to that location, to copy the files.

Finally, all were installed. So, another "Commit" of the green lock.

Now, upon booting the TC, I can then plug in the MJ, and it'll all work, and come up, and is working great.

All I wish is that I had enough space to install .NET so that I could use the caller ID spoofer. But, I'm out of space. Perhaps the person that created it can tell me what exact files from a .NET installation are needed for it to function, and there would be space for those exact files...

HolmanGT · Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:00 am Post subject:

GuyOnTheAir,

My hat is off to you, talk about trial and error, stamina and determination and a pretty damn good amount technical expertise thrown in for good measure.

I would have bet it couldn't be done, but for the sake of another poster I was hoping I was wrong and that it could be done. When he reads your post he is going to be one happy camper.

I Salute you Mr. "GuyOnTheAir"

And thank you for sharing the positive results and "How to" information, not everyone would have had the ability to work out a solution as you have and believe themselves stuck with an expensive "White Elephant".

Search TAG: Post by GuyOnTheAir, Thin Client, 192 Flash, will it work, Think client 192/256

testing123 · Dan Should Pay Me Joined: 13 Nov 2007 Posts: 703

PGPfan · magicJack Apprentice Joined: 26 Feb 2008 Posts: 17

cameraman · magicJack Apprentice Joined: 27 Feb 2008 Posts: 14

Hey all,
I got a 5710 on ebay last week and it is due in ups tomorrow. It said it had 512 meg or ram but didn't specify flash size. I am excited to open it up and see what it has. I have had my mj for about a month and it has worked well. I hate the idea of having the main computer running 24/7 with fan noise and heat, especially when summer arrives. This thin client solution is the cat's meow. I, like others didn't know they existed until I read about them here. I had a big plan in my mind to build a "fan free" / "drive free" compact computer wigit in a box and wouldn't ya know it, HP beat me to it. Thanks for all the good info on setup of the TC's.

HolmanGT · Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:51 am Post subject:

cameraman,

Can you tell me the name of the seller I may be able to come pretty close on the Flash size for you.

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