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VoIProundthePlanet magicJack Apprentice
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:16 pm Post subject: Finally, Google Voice on an ATA is Here !! |
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http://www.obihai.com/googlevoice.html
Obihai Announces Support for Google Voice on OBi110
Use Google Voice� on your regular phone and make calls to the USA & Canada for FREE !! **
Make calls to other countries with Google Voice's incredibly low international rates using an OBi110 and your broadband connection to the Internet.
CUPERTINO � 19 January 2011� Today, Obihai Technology announced support for the Google Voice communications service on the OBi110 Voice Service Bridge and Terminal Adaptor. This marks the first time an ATA (Analog Telephone Adaptor) class product, capable of connecting a regular telephone to a Voice over IP service has implemented Google Voice as one of the supported services.
Absolutely Convenient use of Google Voice on a telephone connected to the OBi110 � No PC required.
Amazingly Simple is the best way to describe how to get going with Google Voice on your OBi110. Just add your Gmail credential to the OBi110 and start making calls!
What You Need:
1. The OBi110 � Get it here .
2. Gmail username & password
3. A Telephone � Make A Google Voice call using your everyday phone � no need to be at your computer.
Great Things You Can Do with Google Voice on the OBi110:
- Direct dial calls to the USA and Canada for free! **
- Direct dial calls to other countries at incredibly low international rates!
- Use an Analog Telephone Adaptor-type VoIP device (OBi110) with Google Voice integration in conjunction with the cool features available with Google Voice � e.g. voicemail transcription, on-line voicemail, contact management, international calling, etc.
More Cool Stuff You Can Do with OBi & Google Voice:
- Receive calls to your Google Voice number on the phone attached to the OBi device.
- Use the OBiON app for iPhone, iPad, iPod touch and Android devices for true VoIP calls using the OBi device to bridge to Google Voice to call traditional numbers.
- Receive calls to your Google Voice number then use the OBi device to bridge to your iPhone, iPad, iPod touch and Android devices using Wi-Fi (without using your cellular mobile minutes).
- Easily set-up Google Voice trunks on your IP PBX phone system � no need for system upgrades or complex configs. The OBi acts as a SIP to Google Voice gateway.
So, What Exactly is an OBi110?
The OBi110 is a stand-alone, dedicated device, built with a high-performance "system on a chip" platform to ensure high-quality voice conversations. The OBi110 has high availability and reliability. It is 'always-on' to make or receive a call. With the OBi110, a computer is not required and a computer does not need to be on to talk on the phone or use the OBi's powerful service bridging features. To get started, all you need is a phone, power and a connection to the Internet.
Set-Up:
1. Sign-in to your Gmail account and make a call from your PC to a regular phone number using the Gmail �Call Phones� feature. If you have already done this before, you can skip this.
2. Connect the OBi110 to a broadband connection via your Internet router.
3. Use one of our configuration wizards to set-up the OBi110 with your Gmail username + password credential.
- At the OBiTALK web portal using the OBi Device Configuration Utility: www.obitalk.com
- Or use the ITSP set-up wizard utility.
Then Start Making Calls!
Pricing and Availability: The OBi110 is $49.99 and it is available from Amazon.com and 888VoipStore.com |
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laserjobs Dan Should Pay Me
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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How long will a product like this last before Google cuts off this service? |
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sabresfan Dan Should Pay Me
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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laserjobs wrote: | How long will a product like this last before Google cuts off this service? | That's what I was thinking. If this ata can be used with other providers then I might say ok but if it's locked into this single purpose then it will become a paper weight one day. I like the idea. Hopefully someone will test it and give a review. |
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laserjobs Dan Should Pay Me
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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edit: after thinking about it, it does not use gizmo5 so is an phone number issued and a callback initiated? |
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mj777 magicJack Apprentice
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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it is being done through the gmail call application. from the google voice end, a call is being sent to the gmail call app. somehow the box is programmed to behave like the gmail app which is able to initiate and receive calls |
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gashliquor Dan isn't smart enough to hire me
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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50 bux for that ATA " The OBi110 " another i think priority device, As they say " The OBi acts as a SIP to Google Voice gateway" Real is the deal, Act don't last long or changes soon to follow for 50 bux!, Good luck after if it happens 99 million join im sure there server will be worse then MJ's in no time. |
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jongasse MagicJack Contributor
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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This device will be useful only if it does not use a 3rd party to bridge GV calls via SIP. If they have hosted a server that does this, then this ATA would be pretty much a usual ATA.
However, if the product is standalone and does not depend on anything but GV, I WOULD DEFINITELY buy this!
What they would be doing, from what it reads is not hard - I have my own app to interface my MJ adapter with GMail and have been using it instead of MJ's subscription.
Anyone care to call them and clarify? |
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VoIProundthePlanet magicJack Apprentice
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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The following is posted inside the Google Voice config wizard on the Obihai web site.
"Note about your Gmail username and password: This configuration utility is for easy placement your Gmail username and password information into the OBi device securely using HTTPS encryption. This information is never sent, "In the clear." Your Gmail password is not stored by OBiTALK. Your Gmail username and password are used only by your OBi device to communicate with Google servers. Communication between the OBi device and Google servers is secured using HTTPS."
http://www.obihai.com/itspConfiguration/itspConfiguration-googlevoice.html
So, with that it would mean that there is not a 3rd party protocol translation server / bridge in the mix.
You can see also that the same config wizard can be used for: Broadvoice, Callcentric, InPhonex, Sipgate, Vitelity, VoicePulse and Voip.ms |
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telltom MagicJack Contributor
Joined: 14 Apr 2009 Posts: 57 Location: clifton, nj
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:51 am Post subject: |
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ATA aside, GV is not dependable enough for me to use as a full time phone service. |
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Darkman90808 Dan Should Pay Me
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | ATA aside, GV is not dependable enough for me to use as a full time phone service. |
telltom.... I'm curious what kinds of issues you're having. I've been using Google Voice for over a year and don't seem to have any problems, with these exceptions:
1.) GV will randomly turn call recording on during a conversation which is maddening and embarrassing. It does seem to be happening less these days, and I believe it is a flaw inherent to VoIP and dtmf. I would just as soon GV drop call recording anyway since it can only be turned on if someone calls you.
2.) Call quality is usually very acceptable but once in a while not so much and I also get the occasional dropped call, although that could just as easily be the fault of VZW.
FWIW, I have GV set up to make all my outgoing calls on my cellphone, except to those who I know have Verizon Wireless. It is also set up to show as my caller ID on my ooma device.
Early on I recognized Google may not continue to support GV forever, but that's a risk I'm willing to take. |
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nailgunner MagicJack Sensei
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:29 pm Post subject: |
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Darkman90808 wrote: |
telltom.... I'm curious what kinds of issues you're having. I've been using Google Voice for over a year and don't seem to have any problems |
I was wondering the same thing. I've been using it for about 3 months, 2-3 times a week, usually with very long calls and never had a problem. I thought maybe I was just lucky because of the small frequency of calls I make. |
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neo2121 Dan isn't smart enough to hire me
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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has anyone bought the device and used it? |
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msiam Dan isn't smart enough to hire me
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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If it is possible for this company to set this ATA up, why isn't there a feasible way to set up our own ATA with Google Voice Credentials? I have tried the Sipsorcery route, that is flaky. I had some success with it but, it is very unreliable.. Besides that, the SipSorcery is all online set up that you have to give the credentials to the webmaster in your dial plan... That isnt such a warm and fuzzy feeling.. I like warm and fuzzy. Of course, one could use another GV accout to set it up. but, that isnt the route I would want to go either.. So.. Com on folks.. What is the route needed to get this done easier and put it on my own ATA, which I think I have around 10 Inno Media s from SunRocklet and about 5 SPA 2102's. Anyone have tricks for me?? |
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jongasse MagicJack Contributor
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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The issues is with Google blocking SIP. They use that internally for all call routing but due to a "flaw" in their caller ID recognition for users who really do not know how to setup their accounts, they have disabled SIP.
This ruins the entire SIP experience using GV for people who really know how to setup their systems.
Right now - I use a custom web plugin to interface to Gmail to place my calls.
Maybe this device uses a similar concept and thus looks interesting - only the lack of feedback going against it.
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gashliquor Dan isn't smart enough to hire me
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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msiam wrote: | If it is possible for this company to set this ATA up, why isn't there a feasible way to set up our own ATA with Google Voice Credentials? I have tried the Sipsorcery route, that is flaky. I had some success with it but, it is very unreliable.. Besides that, the SipSorcery is all online set up that you have to give the credentials to the webmaster in your dial plan... That isnt such a warm and fuzzy feeling.. I like warm and fuzzy. Of course, one could use another GV accout to set it up. but, that isnt the route I would want to go either.. So.. Com on folks.. What is the route needed to get this done easier and put it on my own ATA, which I think I have around 10 Inno Media s from SunRocklet and about 5 SPA 2102's. Anyone have tricks for me?? |
Quote: | That isnt such a warm and fuzzy feeling.. |
I like warm and bald better |
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telltom MagicJack Contributor
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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telltom.... I'm curious what kinds of issues you're having. I've been using Google Voice for over a year and don't seem to have any problems, with these exceptions:
i can deal with the recording conversation problem, but quite a few times i couldn't get thru to some numbers. Friends have told me they were unable to reach me at times. The phone would just ring a few times and go dead. I'm now using the Nettalk Duo and i'm very satisfied with it. |
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Darkman90808 Dan Should Pay Me
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | quite a few times i couldn't get thru to some numbers. Friends have told me they were unable to reach me at times. The phone would just ring a few times and go dead. |
Interesting... and it raises another issue with Google Voice - no support. Of course, it's hard to complain when it's free, but when you're having issues, it's still frustrating.
Glad the NetTalk is working for you. I do have say, however, GV does so much that I've gotten spoiled. I'm going to be sorely disappointed if they quit supporting it or don't continue to develop it.
I would be willing to pay a nominal fee for it, if that's what it took, much like I pay an annual subscription to Yahoo Mail Plus. |
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Kif Kroker Dan isn't smart enough to hire me
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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telltom wrote: |
i can deal with the recording conversation problem, but quite a few times i couldn't get thru to some numbers. Friends have told me they were unable to reach me at times. The phone would just ring a few times and go dead. I'm now using the Nettalk Duo and i'm very satisfied with it. |
This can be an issue with the numbers you are forwarding GV to. I have more issues with my MJ using GV than other phone services. For example, often voicemail will be picked up by my MJ rather than GV when there is no answer. I have not had this problem with my VoIPMyWay phone number or my sipgate #, only when MJ is set to be one of the phones that rings. I'm not saying that was your problem for sure, but it is something to consider since GV is mainly just a forwarding service.
Darkman90808 wrote: |
I would be willing to pay a nominal fee for it, if that's what it took, much like I pay an annual subscription to Yahoo Mail Plus. |
BTW, did you know you can use POP and IMAP access for you Yahoo Mail without paying for it? Just set your default region in account settings to "Asia" and you will be able to access you Yahoo Mail with a standard email client for free. I've been using it that way for about a year, and there seems to be no other issue with setting your location to Asia, didn't have to change anything else. Yahoo only charges for POP and IMAP access in the USA I think, for other regions that ability is provided for free.
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neo2121 Dan isn't smart enough to hire me
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Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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Kif Kroker wrote: |
BTW, did you know you can use POP and IMAP access for you Yahoo Mail without paying for it? Just set your default region in account settings to "Asia" and you will be able to access you Yahoo Mail with a standard email client for free. I've been using it that way for about a year, and there seems to be no other issue with setting your location to Asia, didn't have to change anything else. Yahoo only charges for POP and IMAP access in the USA I think, for other regions that ability is provided for free.
Dave |
all the more reason to use Gmail. |
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Darkman90808 Dan Should Pay Me
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | BTW, did you know you can use POP and IMAP access for you Yahoo Mail without paying for it? Just set your default region in account settings to "Asia" and you will be able to access you Yahoo Mail with a standard email client for free. |
Dammitall! And I just re-upped with them for another year! How in the world did you figure that one out? |
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msiam Dan isn't smart enough to hire me
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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I have been receiving my yahoo mail into my gmail acct for over a year.. I dint know there was a need to know out there..Hey Darkman, there you go.. dont re up next year |
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Kif Kroker Dan isn't smart enough to hire me
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Darkman90808 wrote: | Quote: | BTW, did you know you can use POP and IMAP access for you Yahoo Mail without paying for it? Just set your default region in account settings to "Asia" and you will be able to access you Yahoo Mail with a standard email client for free. |
Dammitall! And I just re-upped with them for another year! How in the world did you figure that one out? |
Found it on the net somewhere. It's kind of a scam that they don't give it to the North America customers for free, as they do other places. I'm not sure they acknowledge they have IMAP servers running yet either, just found that out a couple weeks ago and switch my Thunderbird to get my Yahoo mail through IMAP now, can see and edit all folders just like in the web mail client. I don't use my Yahoo email for much more than Fantasy Football, but it is nice that I can now get it through IMAP for free.
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synchron Dan isn't smart enough to hire me
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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msiam wrote: | If it is possible for this company to set this ATA up, why isn't there a feasible way to set up our own ATA with Google Voice Credentials? I have tried the Sipsorcery route, that is flaky. I had some success with it but, it is very unreliable.. Besides that, the SipSorcery is all online set up that you have to give the credentials to the webmaster in your dial plan... That isnt such a warm and fuzzy feeling.. I like warm and fuzzy. Of course, one could use another GV accout to set it up. but, that isnt the route I would want to go either.. So.. Com on folks.. What is the route needed to get this done easier and put it on my own ATA, which I think I have around 10 Inno Media s from SunRocklet and about 5 SPA 2102's. Anyone have tricks for me?? |
I think the key to getting this to all work is XMPP and Aaron who runs Sipsorcery has had positive results to get calls working with GV and XMPP back last Nov.
I wouldn't be surprised if this kicks in over at the sipsorcery site sometime soon making this possible with any ATA/mobile device via sisporcery client and without the need for a 3rd party provider that provides the free incoming callback approach.
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jongasse MagicJack Contributor
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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synchron wrote: | I think the key to getting this to all work is XMPP and Aaron who runs Sipsorcery has had positive results to get calls working with GV and XMPP back last Nov. |
I would love Aaron to correct me but the phone calling from GMail does not use XMPP, and that GMail feature is what this ATA seems to use.
Either in the device insitu or on their servers - they are loading GMail and hooking onto that call phone widget, but I would love to stand corrected. |
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VoIProundthePlanet magicJack Apprentice
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 2:15 pm Post subject: There is no 3rd party server involved ... |
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"Google Voice protocol is natively implemented on the OBi110. In other words, the device communicates directly with Google Voice. It does not go through 3rd party server." (quote from another forum)
"Looking at a WireShark trace, the OBI110 communicates directly with a GV proxy. WireShark says the call signalling is done with the "Jabber/XM" protocol. Before the voice stream starts up the OBi uses a Google STUN server to checkout the external ip address and ports." (quote from another forum) |
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jongasse MagicJack Contributor
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: There is no 3rd party server involved ... |
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VoIProundthePlanet wrote: | "Google Voice protocol is natively implemented on the OBi110. In other words, the device communicates directly with Google Voice. It does not go through 3rd party server." (quote from another forum)
"Looking at a WireShark trace, the OBI110 communicates directly with a GV proxy. WireShark says the call signalling is done with the "Jabber/XM" protocol. Before the voice stream starts up the OBi uses a Google STUN server to checkout the external ip address and ports." (quote from another forum) |
Interesting. Could you post links to those forums directly here? |
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redpepper Dan Should Pay Me
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Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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The downloadable "GVJack" App is now available from http://www.pcphonesoft.com that lets you reuse an old magicJack as a fully featured phone adapter for Google Voice at a fraction of the price. |
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audioresearch MagicJack Newbie
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Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:29 pm Post subject: What Is the Best Way to Get Lowest Cost Service? |
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What is the lowest cost (free if, of course, the best choice) way for me to get voip phone service?
I would like to to use my router with broadband, but not have to keep a pc or laptop on all the time.
I would like to use my existing 3 landline telephone sets and just plug the male jack from my house landline telephone wiring into an ATA box such as the Magic Jack Plus or an OBI 110.
I will not have any other type of phone service: no landline service and no cellphones.
It is essential that I be able to implement a white list so that only calls originating from phone numbers on that list can ring my phone and calls originating from any other numbers will go to voicemail.
I have been using Google Voice along with a Verizon Digital Voice line, but I would like to dump Verizon.
I already own an OBI 110 and had been hoping to start using it with Google Voice after I dumped Verizon, but I just found out the OBI box will no longer work with Google Voice starting next May.
I did find software that runs in a pc that appears to do away with having to pay Magic Jack any subscription fees, but I can't use that since it requires leaving a pc on all the time which I do not want to do.
What do you suggest I do? Should I use my OBI 110 along with some low cost direct inward dial (DID) provider to let my existing OBI box still work with Google Voice (I read that it seems that might work-correct me please if it will not) or should I instead dump the OBI box and use Magic Jack, is there some way to eliminate Magic Jack fees if so, or should I do something entirely different?
Thanks very much for any help. |
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cell14 Dan Should Pay Me
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Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 11:43 pm Post subject: |
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If you check the postings in this section I posted a list of reputable SIP VOIP providers. Check them out. You can use them with your Obi. |
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SteveHC Dan isn't smart enough to hire me
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Posted: Mon Nov 11, 2013 12:47 am Post subject: Re: What Is the Best Way to Get Lowest Cost Service? |
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audioresearch wrote: | I already own an OBI 110 and had been hoping to start using it with Google Voice after I dumped Verizon, but I just found out the OBI box will no longer work with Google Voice starting next May... What do you suggest I do? Should I use my OBI 110 along with some low cost direct inward dial (DID) provider to let my existing OBI box still work with Google Voice (I read that it seems that might work-correct me please if it will not) or should I instead dump the OBI box and use Magic Jack, is there some way to eliminate Magic Jack fees if so, or should I do something entirely different? |
- Yes, apparently come 5/15/2014 Obi devices will no longer work with Google Voice, at least not directly:
http://blog.obihai.com/2013/10/important-message-about-google-voice.html
And yes there are some other VOIP providers whose services will work with Obi's, but they generally charge much more than magicJack does.
It looks to me like Obihai is going to try to develop some sort of "work-around" strategy regarding GV, but who knows... |
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cell14 Dan Should Pay Me
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Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | - Yes, apparently come 5/15/2014 Obi devices will no longer work with Google Voice, at least not directly:
http://blog.obihai.com/2013/10/important-message-about-google-voice.html
And yes there are some other VOIP providers whose services will work with Obi's, but they generally charge much more than magicJack does.
It looks to me like Obihai is going to try to develop some sort of "work-around" strategy regarding GV, but who knows.. |
Considered the true costs of Magic jack there are many providers which do not cost more or significantly more than MJ and provide incomparably superior service.
Good example : Localphone, US DID for 99c/month, outgoing lower 48 0.5c/min, subscription plans e.g. 5000 min outgoing for $5.-month straight, plus a multitude of other valuable services.
It is highly unlikely that Obihai will develop any work around for Google voice/ or the new Hangouts, probably for legal reasons, they told me very clearly that they are pulling out of Google altogether. Off course, things may change... |
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SteveHC Dan isn't smart enough to hire me
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Posted: Fri Nov 15, 2013 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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cell14 wrote: | Considered the true costs of Magic jack there are many providers which do not cost more or significantly more than MJ and provide incomparably superior service.
Good example : Localphone, US DID for 99c/month, outgoing lower 48 0.5c/min, subscription plans e.g. 5000 min outgoing for $5.-month straight, plus a multitude of other valuable services |
- It seems that you and I do math in very different ways. Not that it makes any difference whatsoever lol |
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Bill Smith Dan isn't smart enough to hire me
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SteveHC Dan isn't smart enough to hire me
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- Too bad it doesn't/will not include unlimited minutes! |
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Bill Smith Dan isn't smart enough to hire me
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Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 11:32 am Post subject: |
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My thoughts exactly. Hopefully there'll be enough minutes so that the average user can employ this new service. |
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cell14 Dan Should Pay Me
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Bill Smith wrote: | My thoughts exactly. Hopefully there'll be enough minutes so that the average user can employ this new service. |
Average user uses less and less minutes, because more and more people have cell phones with unlimited plans.
Often , rock bottom providers who advertise free minutes will not accept usage in excess of 3000 minutes, aside of the fact that they do not connect for free to a large number of area codes/exchanges. |
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jeffnyc Dan isn't smart enough to hire me
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Now there are Anveo and PhonePower as partners to Obihai |
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