***New Mods T5730 a Dual-Core 64-bit CPU & PCIe G-card

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Wed Dec 24, 2014 1:30 am

I tried the faster RAM in both the GT7725 and the T5730 w/TL-64 and they both clocked the ram back down to 667mgz. In the case of the GT, the ram clock was displayed when posting. With the T5730 I am only going by Win. Exp.Ind. scores.
T5730 w/TL-64 @ 2.2GHz } RAM scored 5.2 w/5300S and 6400S
T5730 w/TL-60 @ 2.0GHz } RAM scored 5.5 w/6400S and 5.2 w/5300S

pw0 · Post by **pw0** » Fri Dec 26, 2014 10:55 pm

Hello everyone,
I just passed through whole topic and it seems that no one did expansion module connectivity test for T5730. Is there a brave little soul to do that? Only for PCIe, please

Those expansion modules are very hard to get in europe, as I noticed...

momo · Post by **momo** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:41 am

To everyone

I may not be posting here any longer.
My personal stuff isn't going very well

If this changes I'll be back...
...for now I can't continue here, I just don't have the time or the joy to.

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 10:39 am

Hello pw0, (welcome to the forum) I attempted to use my GT7725's PCI-E adapter in my T5730 and it did not function properly. And the only risers that work in the T5730 is the pci riser and the pci-e X1 riser. Would have been nice if pci-e x16 riser did work.

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:47 pm

Interesting tidbit here. The GT7725 will run under-powered just fine.
I came across an HP mobile TC power supply for the 4410T. (a very nice laptop with the right upgrades)(so nice someone stole it) It is rated [email protected]/65w.
The GT7725 says it needs [email protected]/120w.
I guess with just one active core/channel it only needs half of the power it is rated for.

pw0 · Post by **pw0** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:04 pm

Hello

@momo sorry to hear that...

Weezer, T5730 has ~60W power supply, but stays at 20W when idle (measured by me). That doesn't mean it needs only part of that power - now it works but under load delivering power is crucial - it will just hang when it won't have enough to eat. Test it

and keep in mind it has 8 USBs which has to be powered (sometimes).

Unfortunately I've tried connecting 'normal' pci-e 1x riser to T5730 before I knew I have to use extension module - that ended up with smoke

Now I seek extension module pinout, to connect graphic card directly to T5730, therefore I asked about connectivity test...

pw0 · Post by **pw0** » Sun Dec 28, 2014 11:07 pm

Hello

@momo sorry to hear that...

Weezer, T5730 has ~60W power supply, but stays at 20W when idle (measured by me). That doesn't mean it needs only part of that power - now it works but under load delivering power is crucial - it will just hang when it won't have enough to eat. Test it

and keep in mind it has 8 USBs which has to be powered (sometimes).

Unfortunately I've tried connecting 'normal' pci-e 1x riser to T5730 before I knew I have to use extension module - that ended up with smoke

Now I seek extension module pinout, to connect graphic card directly to T5730, therefore I asked about connectivity test...

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:09 am

pw0, Maybe you misread my earlier post. It was pertaining to the GT7725's full functionality under load with a 65 watt power supply when it requires a 120 watt power supply.(not the T5730)
As far as I know the pci-e slot on the T5730 is proprietary and only works with HP's GZ286AA expansion kit. (as hard to find as hen's teeth)
I do not have the tools required to tell you how they wired it.(sorry)
Comeback to us soon Momo!!!! We miss you already!!!!

pw0 · Post by **pw0** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:50 am

Wheezer wrote:pw0, Maybe you misread my earlier post. It was pertaining to the GT7725's full functionality under load with a 65 watt power supply when it requires a 120 watt power supply.(not the T5730)

Oh, sorry. Indeed that are good news

Wheezer wrote:As far as I know the pci-e slot on the T5730 is proprietary and only works with HP's GZ286AA expansion kit. (as hard to find as hen's teeth)
I do not have the tools required to tell you how they wired it.(sorry)

Dammit... so I have to wait for equipped men or for GZ286AA on ebay...

T5735 · Post by **T5735** » Mon Dec 29, 2014 11:31 pm

Man Momo I am so sorry to hear that. Hopefully everything will be alright you just have to stay positive. I have been waiting since before Christmas for my 64gb SSD's to come in for my new thin clients and the wait is about to kill me.

T5735 · Post by **T5735** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:00 pm

I researched this and I don't think HP ever offered it but do you guys think their may be a regular PCI riser card out there for a GT7720? I would like to be able to run a dvb-s2 PCI card in order to get free satellite television in one but I can't do it with the PCI-E riser card I have now.

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:31 pm

T5730> I might be coerced into trying my T5730 riser in the GT7725 to see if it recognizes any pci card I have. If you haven't tried it already.

T5735 · Post by **T5735** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:32 pm

I wouldn't do it as Momo said it would fry your unit. I appreciate you offering though.

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:49 pm

T5730> I tried the GT7725's pci-e riser in the T5730 and thankfully nothing fried. It didn't function but it didn't spark or catch fire either. It was just not recognized.

T5735 · Post by **T5735** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 3:51 pm

Wheezer wrote:T5730> I tried the GT7725's pci-e riser in the T5730 and thankfully nothing fried. It didn't function but it didn't spark or catch fire either. It was just not recognized.

Well if that didn't work I doubt it would work the other way around then.

It is no big deal I just wanted to be able to buy the much cheaper PCI card as opposed to the more expensive PCI-E card. Thanks for the offer though I do appreciate it.

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Wed Dec 31, 2014 4:10 pm

After trying several different pci cards on the T5730 riser in the GT7725, I can say that it is not compatible between the two.

momo · Post by **momo** » Fri Jan 02, 2015 8:42 am

I was going thru my saved pictures, to find something I needed for my personal stuff, and came across a post from here, on Sept 21st 2014, that I saved as a picture, where krzysiek841 said his T5730/35 worked as Dual-(I assume 'channel') but don't know if he was speaking of dual 2GB RAM or dual-channel.

I found that exact post here
http://www.phoneservicesupport.com/post84474.html#84474

krzysiek841 wrote: started mini windows xp from cd shows the same
but cpu-z shows ddr2 4096MBytes Dual ...
i tried to install win7 64bit - blue screen that the bios is not fully acpi compliant

i removed the second ram and bsod no more
after install will try to put it in again

ok i installed win7 x64 with 2gb ram then i put the second 2gb and i get a bsod again the - same one
i think its a compability problem how can i get the 4gb work ...
with 2gb in 1 socket and 1gb in second windows starts normally ...

Anyway, it is possible in this case that the T5730/35 will in fact support dual-channel, but krzysiek841 has not replied to my PM, or in this thread to verify this.

OK...being I'm not dead yet I figured you all may want to see that post...
Bye again.

-----
Oh...by the way... @T5735
I mentioned that the GT7720/25 PCIe riser card, with the graphics card installed, would possibly damage either the T5730/35 , the riser, or the card in it, if used on the T5730/35
I don't remember looking at the PCI riser card, but did see the PCIe riser had ground connections that were different.

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Sun Jan 04, 2015 3:41 pm

Good to see you are still with us Momo!! And Happy New Year to all!!

Thankfully after trying either riser in both machines nothing got damaged including my video cards.

985ach · Post by **985ach** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:28 am

@momo Hope to see you again soon

Wheezer wrote:My adapter doesn't effect the drive activity light. At-least, not that I ever noticed. I think I have mentioned that my adapter will not allow me to use an SSD.

My adapter sees my SSD and Win7 64bit enabled me to format add and remove partitions, then when clicking next to start the install I'd get a black screen...

Anyway I've installed Win7 to a 80GB Mechanical HDD then cloned it to the SSD (120GB) and the SSD boots happily.

I'm using the one that T5735 is using, I did have to get a shorter Female-Female IDE cable though as the longer one wasn't in stock :/

T5735 wrote: This is the exact SATA to 44 pin IDE adapter I am using as well.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Hot-2-5-Male-ID ... 54131e991b

[EDIT]
BIOS version is 786R4 V1.03
BIOS is also reporting 128GB of flash memory for the SSD
[/EDIT]

Some comparisons

SSD: CrucialMX100
32 Seconds boot to desktop
5.2 Disk transfer rating
HDD Activity LED flashes

Mech: Hitachi 5K250-80
60 Seconds boot to desktop
4.3 Disk transfer rating
HDD Activity LED flashes

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 10:55 am

985>I attempted to clone the install to an SSD and did not have any luck that way. So I am glad it worked for you.
I am curious about the jumper on the adapter. when I had it shorted it didn't see my HDD. so I left it open. Did you have to change it? I am thinking it may be the difference between using an SSD or an HDD.
I cannot experiment with the adapter because it is now being used in the GT7725 and an 80G HDD to replace the system my mother had, that died for the new year.(she loves it)

985ach · Post by **985ach** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 12:04 pm

http://imageshack.com/a/img905/4048/exfdyQ.jpg
http://imageshack.com/a/img537/715/Y65hPC.jpg

@Wheezer: I don't appear to have any jumper pins soldered to my adapter unless its elsewhere on the mobo?

I happen to have access to a cloning drive http://uk.startech.com/HDD/Duplicators/ ... ATDOCK22RE so had a byte for byte copy (and 40gig left unallocated on the SSD)

I've an OCZ Vertex 3 (the model with the dodgy Sandforce chip) SSD here so I may hook that up and see what sort of results happen - it could be the SSD controller

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:07 pm

985> I can see where the pins would have been located on that adapter. It is where the 2 through holes are.
Its possible they have done away with it in newer boards with better logic. And allows SSD compatibility without needing a jumper.
I am ordering another and hope it is SSD compatible.

I was using mini partition wizard to do my cloning. It works very well.

985ach · Post by **985ach** » Mon Jan 05, 2015 4:16 pm

@wheezer: what SSD were you using?

Is there anything else different between the IDE to sata connector?

My crucial is using 'Marvell 88SS9189' controller

I've not tested the OCZ Vertex yet but I know that uses 'LSI SandForce SF-2281' as it's controller but I'll report back tomorrow when I've had a play.

My next step is going to be trying to install 'Untangle' to the SSD, so maybe it's an OS thing too

985ach · Post by **985ach** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:58 am

Well well...

OCZ Vertex 3 shows up in the BIOS as flash memory of 120GB, it also boots an installation of Windows7 32Bit (did this by accident because I forgot to plug in my bootable USB stick

)

BUT! booting into Windows 7 setup when you get the the "Where would you like to install windows" bit, the partitions pop up and them promptly disappear leaving the message "No drives were found"

I don't have any more working SSD's to do any more tests with now so all I've got left is the OS installs

[EDIT #1 13.50 (GMT) 06.01.15]
ClearOS installed to Crucial MX100 from CD with no issues
[EDIT #2 14.25 (GMT)]
Smoothwall Express also installs to Crucial with no issues
[EDIT #3 14.41 (GMT)]
Just for giggles I thought I'd try installing Win10 Preview onto the Crucial SSD too, it appears to fail in the same place as Win7 but with a white screen rather than a black one
[EDIT #4 15.46 (GMT)]
Untangle installed too, I guess linux beats windows here..

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 4:01 pm

The SSDs I have tried are:
Kingston V100 256GB
Corsair Force Series 120GB
OCZ Vertex 3 120GB
Intel 310 160GB w/mSATA-SATA passive adapter.

I am convinced it is Windows being stubborn and refusing to see the drives despite the bios recognizing each of these drives.

T5735 · Post by **T5735** » Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:14 pm

Have you tried putting the drive in another pc as a slave and then formatting it there and seeing what happens? I had the same thing happen to me the other day and after I did that windows install would see it.

985ach · Post by **985ach** » Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:42 am

@Wheezer a decent variety then, though I came to reinstall Win7 this morning, deleting all the linux partitions and then recreating one for Win7 to install.. its gone and worked...

I guess the SSD has sort of been formatted plenty of times by different OS's so thats sort of inline with @T5735 slave formatting I guess??

krzysiek841 · Post by **krzysiek841** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 11:46 am

hello
happy new year everybody

after a long time i am back.
sorry i didn't had time earlier.

but i left the t5730 TK project

i am trying to work with gt7725 TK
i will try to attach inside a HDD 20GB and a all in one card reader, 4GB or 8GB RAM, and a better graphics and a smart card reader.

i have bought a

EVGA GeForce GT 730 2GB (Low Profile)

http://www.evga.com/Products/Product.as ... P3-2732-KR

pluged in but black screen with blinking point.
i think it is the stock power supply ...
must get somewhere a bigger

any ideas ?

985ach · Post by **985ach** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:36 am

@krzysiek841, Momo Posted this in Jun/September 2014 (it's on the second page of the forum 3rd post from the bottom)

momo wrote:This is interesting.
I didn't know it has that MiniPCIe socket layout pattern.

I never fully removed the main board when soldering the 4 wires for the PSU connector. I was able to find power lines near the end-corner and just removed those screws & lifted the boards corner to solder there.

Edited, Sept.13th 2014 ... added info...
My T5730 Mods to add the 16 Amp (192 watt) PSU connector
http://imgur.com/a/MguHb

and this on the 4th page:

momo wrote: The power supply that's 8.5 amps (102 watts) is here..
http://www.mini-box.com/110w-12v-8-5A-A ... er-Adapter
I'm assuming the polarity of the barrel connector is ...
positive in the center, and negative is the outer area.
Please ask the sales rep from mini-box, just to be sure.

My 192 watt PSU, (that needed a mod'd connection to the T5730) is here..
http://www.mini-box.com/12v-16A-AC-DC-Power-Adapter
(If anyone else is interested. )

If other news, My T5730 is setup and running Untangle quite happily I've still got some tweaking to do so I can access stuff from the outside world.

Next steps trying to work out what I've killed on my original box

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 12:38 pm

@krzysiek841> I have been tinkering with my GT7725 for a while now and I could never get any of my nVidia cards to work. ( black screen w/flashing cursor in upper left corner ) ATI cards however work fine in this.
(PSU used is 19v @7.9a) So it is not a power issue.
Also, I could never get full functionality of the processor. The T5730 w/AMD Turion 64 X2 TL-60 performed better than the GT7725's AMD Ultra.

@T5735> I even went as far as formatting one drive into FAT32 hoping windows would recognize the drive, but no luck.
I have exhausted every avenue available to me to try and get windows to load onto one of my SSD's through an adapter.

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 1:47 pm

@krzysiek841> This would be a better purchase than a new PSU.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/191453452910?_t ... EBIDX%3AIT
Or something like it.

krzysiek841 · Post by **krzysiek841** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:34 pm

thanks
i will try an ati card then

will write when i buy and install it

what will be better ?

http://www.ebay.de/itm/ASUS-R7240-2GD3- ... 339c01e612

or

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Club-3D-Club3D-R ... 19f9ef0f27

ok asus better 128bit Memory Interfaces

985ach · Post by **985ach** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:50 am

krzysiek841 wrote:thanks
i will try an ati card then
will write when i buy and install it

what will be better ?

http://www.ebay.de/itm/ASUS-R7240-2GD3- ... 339c01e612

or

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Club-3D-Club3D-R ... 19f9ef0f27

ok asus better 128bit Memory Interfaces

Personally I'd pick the ASUS but thats just me

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:00 pm

krzysiek841> My only concern would be both cards are (PCI-E 3.0) and may not be backwards compatible. I hope this will not be an issue for you. Best of luck and let us know how it works out.

T5735 · Post by **T5735** » Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:21 pm

Wheezer wrote:@krzysiek841> This would be a better purchase than a new PSU.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/191453452910?_t ... EBIDX%3AIT
Or something like it.

That is a workstation card that requires you to use that weird DVI splitter cables on it for a dual monitor setup. I am not saying it wouldn't work but just wanted to make sure you knew that before you actually bought anything. The ATI MV Fire cards that come stock in the GT7720's have the same output on them as well.

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Sun Jan 18, 2015 5:34 pm

I have managed to get around Windows inability to load through an adapter to an SSD!! I installed and updated Windows fully on an old 30GB HDD. It took almost 20GB of space. Then put the 30GB HDD and my Intel 310 SSD in my main machine and was able to copy the drive successfully this time, because I did not re-size the partition.
The T5730 w/ AMD Turion 64 X2 TL-60 @ 2.0 Ghz
2GB of PC-2 6400S 666
Zotac GeForce GT 610 512MB
Intel 310 160GB SSD
Scores in windows exp. index as follows.
CPU-4.9 RAM-5.5 AERO-4.4 Gaming-4.6 Disk-5.3
I do believe I have finally achieved my goal with this machine!!!!

@T5735> I didn't see that till I had posted it and forgot to mention that fact. Thank you for pointing that out to anyone that may be thinking of getting it. I have 3 of those DMS-59 to VGA cables, so it wouldn't have been an issue for me.

krzysiek841 · Post by **krzysiek841** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 12:27 pm

i have put the asus card in and it seams to work.
boots normally ... when i install an OS will wright again how it works with the card.

Wheezer · Post by **Wheezer** » Wed Jan 28, 2015 9:06 am

I am very interested in your results with the GT7725 krzy. Hope it all works well and I am glad the ATI video card posted normally. That is a great sign.

T5735 · Post by **T5735** » Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:39 pm

Is everyone doing alright? I just figured I would check in to see what everyone was up to. I am working on building my own case for a 5740 motherboard with 4 slots for full sized hard drives and making my own NAS using freenas software.

krzysiek841 · Post by **krzysiek841** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:31 am

i have managed to fit in the gt7725 2x 4GB RAM DDR2 800MHz works fine

and a TURION X2 ULTRA ZM-87 2.4 GHz works fine too

T5735 · Post by **T5735** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 10:35 am

That is good to hear. Is the new CPU that big of an improvement over the one that comes with it? What are you running for your HD?

momo · Post by **momo** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:09 pm

I recently came across a nice Nano Router that can also use OpenWRT to operate it, and open all of the hardware features.
It doesn't start with OpenWRT, but someone has been able to put it on there.

The original thread is on the OpenWRT forum at the link, below.
https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?id=53014

The Original Poster, WingSpinner, created an OpenWRT image file to replace the factory firmware, so it gives access to all the chips functions and features, thru the LuCI console.

It's selling on Amazon for under $20 USD
HooToo TripMate Nano Wireless N Pocket Travel Router
http://www.amazon.com/HooToo-TripMate-W ... B00HZWOQZ6

It's gotten very popular in recent months, especially now that OpenWRT is able to be used on it, but it's also very functional with the stock firmware too.
It has a file server built-in, that also supports video play-back on your computer or tablet/phone.

All the info about it is in that thread, on the OpenWRT forum link, above.

I'm wondering if the MagicJack Plus could be used on its Ethernet port, to create a wireless MagicJack link to the internet...wirelessly connected to your home router, or other internet access. (HotSpot WiFi...etc...)

People on here, familiar with OpenWRT, will have a better chance to assess that possibility, but even if not, it has many uses as it is already.

There are other HooToo (SunValleyTek) portable routers available with built-in battery packs, too.
And this one can be used with a separate Battery Bank as well if need be.

momo · Post by **momo** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:26 am

momo wrote:To everyone

I may not be posting here any longer.
My personal stuff isn't going very well

If this changes I'll be back...
...for now I can't continue here, I just don't have the time or the joy to.

Well...as it turns out...I may have over-stated.

My personal stuff has taken a turn for the better, rather than the worse.

The first phase is going in my favor. I still need to wait-and-see how it ends,
but I can say it's beginning to look better for me than I originally thought.

Maybe when it's all completed, I'll share what it was with all of you,
if you care to know.

I know, at least one of you doesn't care...

...and it looks like I won't be needing to figure-out any BIOS programming issues for you, anytime soon.

I'll still be around in this thread and site, ...to reply here, for a while longer.

Pilot · Post by **Pilot** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:40 am

I care and would like to know, when the time is right.. for you!

985ach · Post by **985ach** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:55 am

Happy to see you're still with us momo

Since my T5735 is sat happily running as my gateway and filter the the internets I've been off playing with a Raspberry Pi, setting it up as an airplay receiver for my car. It works a treat!

Stephen Falken · Post by **Stephen Falken** » Wed Apr 22, 2015 2:36 pm

I have recently been able to source a few of the PCI-Express riser cards needed to get the graphics running on XBMC on Linux (or OpenElec for that matter). They allow you to use other PCI-Express X1 compatible graphics cards. I plan to use the thin client as a Media Center PC.

Because I know the expansion boards are hard to find and I had to buy a batch, I am selling the ones I don't need so that maybe other people will be able to do the mod as well and we could document it here. The price will be 20 € including shipping worldwide. It should take about a week on average (padded envelope via airmail) to arrive. PM me if interested and I will send you the Paypal details. These modules fit the T5730 and T5735 models. Here is a picture of the board:

I plan to edit this thread and update with information on my own mod within the coming days.

dawauz · Post by **dawauz** » Wed May 27, 2015 2:49 am

Hi stephen, and momo, I send you both a PM.
I'm busy with a T5740

dawauz · Post by **dawauz** » Thu May 28, 2015 12:45 am

Does someone know if that riser will work on a T5740??

T5735 · Post by **T5735** » Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:18 pm

It has been a while. I am just checking in to see how everyone's projects are going?

digitalknight · Post by **digitalknight** » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:28 pm

The online docs say administrator with a password of Administrator should give me admin privileges and that you just have to hold down the left shift key while logging out and keep holding it until it prompts to login.

I have tried that but it won't let me login.

is there a way to reset it?

Got it. Just downloaded the IMG file and re-flashed/installed it.

All good.

So how now do I get MagicJack to install? Keeps telling me "no internet connection" but then takes me to the MagicJack not so magic fix page!!!

Can this thin client also handle Plex? and perhaps a raid controller using 4 USB drives?

magicJack and magicJack Plus Support, Reviews, FAQs and Tricks

***New Mods T5730 a Dual-Core 64-bit CPU & PCIe G-card

I may not be here any longer

PCI-E

GT7725

GT7725

Re: GT7725

GT7725 pci

GT7725 pci

Re: GT7725 pci

GT7725 pci

pci/pci-e riser

Cloning

44pin/sata

Ssd

SSD

SSD

SSD

Re: It's not a standard PCIe connector on the ThinClient

GT7725/nVidia

Graphics upgrade for GT7725

ATI video cards

Re: Graphics upgrade for GT7725

Success!!

GT7725 progress

Amazing little portable router -may be useful with MJ+ too?

Re: I may not be here any longer

Expansion Module

Just picked up a T5730